Not to boil Lanius down to an idiot, but his views of the world and the Legion are relatively simple. Unless you're a woman. To add to your argument about Caesar's death, and the supposed resulting instability that would follow. This produces seasoned warriors, expert caretakers, and a strong/experienced workforce. It's easy for us living in our comfortable world to say, "That's not worth the price of the Legion's brutal methods." Really ? (Seriously, I felt like a conspiracy theorist or something). The raiders in the ncr are merely a nuisance not a real threat. Yeah I'm sure your logic is amazing. He was pissed with economists because they pointed out that slavery was inefficient -- slaves actually cost more than free workers, as they have less incentive to do a good job. There is no logical reason for them to sell slaves. And if he turns countless people's lives into a living hell to achieve that, he thinks they're worth sacrificing to his ego. The game comes with different difficulty levels but even at the easiest difficulty levels those who are new to the game or those who have low-end PCs are having problems playing Fallout: Las […] It is up to the player to rationalize the best option, and each faction appeals to unique reasoning/thought processes. You can argue about it all you wish, but my opinion on that wont change sadly. I bet a lot of this stuff has been said/posited before. ", [–]Davexen 291 points292 points293 points 3 years ago (60 children). You never bother to think "should I engage 4 raiders at once? [+]Vault121 comment score below threshold-11 points-10 points-9 points 3 years ago (13 children). -Do not attack any Legion members you encounter on the map. [–]randomperson187Ad Victoriam! The sale of slaves brings them material benefit. It's like Frank Horrigan encounter. Veteran NCR Rangers start appearing after you dealt with Mr. House’s bunker at The Fort, Caesar’s Legion’s home plate. They would need to know how to hack computers or lockpick to get past some areas. [–]BlackwoodJohnson 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children). We can see this through the jackals and which were entirely pushed out of the ncr and a loading screen slide states that "Brutalized by the ncr, the once legendary Vipers and Jackals gangs have become little more than opportunistic, petty raiders". He also allows high ranking Legionaries access to the Auto-Doc, as he believes it will encourage them to rise through the ranks. The legion is a … The Legion was originally supposed to have a lot more presence than they do, but most of their content was cut in order to meet production deadlines, so they're basically an incomplete faction. Do I have to play the previous games of fallout before playing fallout 4? Females are not allowed to voluntarily fight in the arena. Confusing the two is literally what they teach you NOT to do in English classes. Caesar's Legion as it currently stands is a warrior culture. How could a leather clad man with a knife or spear possibly threaten someone in power-armor holding a machine gun? I do agree with you that the Legion was underdeveloped, though. It's so alien from what we consider civilization, and yet it stands very strong (albeit destined to crumble). The Weathers family, too. It's a lot harder to track down the latter. This is something I've always wished they would phase out. ", you just do it. No, it would only get more stringent. Almost nowhere in this universe lands are safe. Nyflheim 10 years ago #2. Does that make sense? Spoiler: Legion Infamy Maybe choose what branch you work in, become a Frumentarri or a general of the army, maybe some other jobs at the camp. [–]bldarkmanBrotherhood 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (3 children), I don't think you can fast-travel out of the Legion camp, [–]BosnianSupermanTunnel Snakes Rule! The Survivalist, a tough loner who plays on Very Hard Hardcore mode. /r/falloutlore - The lore of the Fallout series, /r/classicfallout - Classic Fallout Games, /r/falloutmods - Fallout modding community. "Pure evil" is something invented by religion and cartoons directed at children, or very bad movies who think "villainy" is something you choose to do for the sake of it. So why are there more slaves today, in this age of the most advanced technology the world has ever seen, than in any other year in the history of our species? Not me, honestly. This would give House t… You're solid on other points and he'd be very effective against other tribals, but IRL, against modern soldiers they'd be reduced to a small gang of raiders and nothing more. That would depend on who were to take over. [–]MxPlumeOverBitch Wannabe 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (5 children). [+]Brandonmac10 comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 3 years ago (3 children). Dale Barton claims that he feels far more safe trading in Legion territory than he does in NCR territory. [–]ANUSTART942Press X to SHAUN 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (1 child). If their group interests you, it is possible to join their ranks and serve under Caesar. Many of these players plan to cancel Valhalla if they don't see quick fixes to WD day 1 problems. Though he does terrible, unforgivable things, he doesn't see himself as "evil": everything he does is for a good reason in his eyes. They are not evil because they made a choice to be evil for it's own sake, they are evil becaue they decided that was an acceptable price to pay to accomplish goals that are admirable. Though, it's perfectly ok for Caesar to use an Auto-doc, of course. [–]Diddu_Sumfin 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children). Discord promotion not allowed. The legions lack of use of actual technology would be its undoing. However, the comment is saying, "people like the legion because they're well written" and therefore like the legion not for their moral standards, but their character depth and solid writing. Restrict everything of the predecessor, the person who was, originally, for the people cracks down on everything and oppression is rampant, but shit gets done. [–]WallaceIsMyWaifuExplains Fallout 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children). Because legions were not permanent units until the Marian reforms (c. 107 BC), and were instead created, used, and disbanded again, several hundred legions were named and numbered throughout Roman history. Because some people think being edgy is cool, and some just want to troll; These groups are not mutually exclusive, however. Posts promoting or facilitating piracy in any way will be removed. Please wait until your account is 24 hours old before posting here. [–]GravelvoiceCatpupils 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (3 children), The desert (for exploration) is the bestest, Just an excuse to have roman empire cosplayers, [–]superlucci 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child), [–]GravelvoiceCatpupils 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children), (It's supposed to go along with Way Back Home BTW just in case you didn't know), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOv5Z5uivP0, [–]someone_FINJumpin' Jesus on a Pogo Stick 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]SUBJUGATOR001Ghouls in Rockets 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). How is there no logic to using slaves? Elimination of all subgroups and ethnicities until there is only one: Legion. Long live the Republic! They could have kidnapped them if they really wanted to, but killing them was a far easier solution that effectively achieved the exact same goal. "B-but roads are safe!" [–]prettypinkdorkKings 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children). [–]Omny87Average-Sized-Dick Johnson 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children). He is basically what people see as someone who had the ability to gain power and control that fast in the wasteland, yet uses the methods he does to attain it. What was your favourite DLC across all games? and explaining how people argue that crabs are rich and full of texture. I came there, saw Benny, fast travelled back out, got Boone, and we massacred the Legion, I let Boone take the final shot on Caesar. [–]SigournAsk me about New Vegas mods 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (2 children). If Walmart truly had slaves, the slaves wouldn't have a choice here. But no, the Legion is not "morally grey" in any sense of the word. I honestly hated Caesar personally for going back on his principles when its inconvenient for him. The legion has no chance. They do also buy slaves, as for the Mojave residents, they are mostly from Nipton(Who Legion hates) and the NCR(Who Legion hates). They enslave Tribals in hopes that they will eventually toughen up and become soldiers. For example, around 90% of all NCR forces that use Power Armor in New Vegas, have power armor that is incomplete, suggesting that things of higher maintenance, such as a Tank, are going to be even worse for wear. The country recorded 179.8 deaths of new infections per 100,000 residents over the last seven days, a new high and significantly more than the 149 … Because it's new vegas and Obsidian, I can only imagine the grief Bethesda would've got if they put a bunch of loonys running around dressed as romans in the game. And in an area as barren and hostile as the Mojave, any big standing army needs a lot of supplies coming in, so they had better have something to bargain with! I think the game was supposed to have more morally grey legion end to quests, but as we all know the NCR was completed first and the game shipped rushed. Safety or no, there are no redeeming qualities. their culture is being suppressed; 3.) [–]HughesJohnEnclave 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children). They want to reward bravery and smarts, loyalty and initiative. Hell if the BOS wanted to they could launch a mini nuke right into Ceasars bunker. Caesar clearly doesn't want it to stay that way, but as they are they exist right now they quite literally enslave half of their population. And killed every single one of them. The Mojave residents and ncr aren't seen as civilized to the legion, [–]MarxistSociologist 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (3 children). To me, that would've fit much better with the ending where you kill Mr. House and claim New Vegas for your own. Very much. The idea is supposed to be that Legion territory offers safety, stability and prosperity without the corruption and inefficiency of the NCR, but at the cost of any kind of meaningful personal liberty or basic standards of morality. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. What do all of the top MMA fighters have in common: a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. He has no respect for towns in which the locals have no loyalties, so destroyed it, and forced its inhabitants to enter a lottery. [–]Vault121 24 points25 points26 points 3 years ago (4 children). Totally!" Ceasar cannot advance in such a war. If the NCR did fight the legion as in actually fight them then the legion would lose period. Ways to give Things to do Poppy Appeal Remembrance “I love being a member. - posted in New Vegas Spoilers: Hi folks. As usual, soldiers are fools & tools. (Well, not our current use of the word -- it does fit the original meaning -- "doing what the Romans tell you to do"). I once killed Caeser with a .22 pistol. And neither is Caesar or his Legion: I can very well imagine them existing in "real life", because there are already some pretty scare precedents of someone like that existing. Now Mussolini! Except for the fact that he literally just did. In AoD, even fighting two people at a time is very dangerous (as it should be). [–]dutchwonder 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). [–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago* (0 children). Posts with clickbait, extremely vague, or misleading titles will be removed. Reasons to support the Empire: That's the problem. Aside from Caesar being interestingly written, there was never a doubt in my mind that the sexist, crucifixion obsessed slavers were the definitive "evil" faction in the game. Exactly. Because technology is what killed off the popularity or purpose of slavery, and there's plenty of it to salvage and re-engineer in the wasteland. You see children in the Legion encampments, especially boys being trained to fight - do you think they all came from consensual, loving partnerships? [–]Bareyn 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child), I thought this was the World of Warcraft sub at first and I was very confused as to why people.would defend the Burning Legion (basically a big army of demons from another planet who want to expunge all life from the universe), [–]HughesJohnEnclave 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children), I was very confused as to why people.would defend the Burning Legion, basically a big army of demons from another planet who want to expunge all life from the universe, [–]SigournAsk me about New Vegas mods -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children). The Germans make the Polish language illegal and force the Poles to speak German. Then on that we disagree. Then Caesar dies and all goes to ♥♥♥♥. -- Et tu, Courier"! As in Kai- zar... __ User Info: Nyflheim. Focused on sniping, survival and repair, has affinity with boone and a soft spot for the NCR's mission (and their ranger armour). Reminds me of Breakpoint. Because the alternative is the NCR which is basically set up to embody the worst of an inefficient bureaucracy, I suppose. They've tried having some characters say that the land occupied by the legion is save for trading and free from raiders but i figure that's because the legion would crucify your ass whereas the NCR would toss you in prison, were you wouldn't be starving at least. Not really, many ISIS leaders worked for the secular government of Saddam Hussein previously. Look at what they did to Nipton. Piracy is a permanent ban, no warnings. Use and abuse spoiler tags. I don't know how they would've made a faction that kidnaps people to enslave them not be evil. More than 1 in 10 of your posts or comments being self-promotional is spamming. So one could brush off all the evil things the legion does as mere collateral damage because they rid their land of more raiders. Fallout: New Vegas the fourth major installment of amazing role-playing shooting game series: Fallout which is available for Xbox 360, PlayStation and PC. Despite all of these points that I can invent to "lawyer away the bad bits", I've played through New Vegas several times, and have seen that you're essentially railroaded into joining the NCR unless you're roleplaying as an evil character. [–]AngryArmourAuld Lang Syne 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (3 children). You never bother to think "should I engage 4 raiders at once? This made it look like the "Legion at war" is all that the Legion is, rather than part of a campaign. You realize the first time you meet them is when they're in the middle of massacring a town. 200 Years and abundant illiteracy will do that. It's the same expansionist evil you'd find in a cartoon. Strength- 9 The Legion is trained in hand-to-hand and with melee weapons including trowing spears. That, and AngryArmour's comment is why I love the Legion as a faction so much. Same reason why he won't send his legionaries into House's vault. Sure, New Vegas was riddled with bugs, the combat is bland, and it didn’t exactly look pretty even when it was released in 2010. Ah, but to the Legion, the religion serves the ideology (with Caesar commenting a cult of personality is necessary to keep him as absolute ruler), whereas with ISIS the ideology serves the religion (with experts and insiders saying their leaders' goals and strategies are heavily reliant on prophesies within the Quran). A fast and easy way to level up and become Idolized by the Legion with out killing NCR troops or having to do any of the legion quest line. 2) Head west out of New Vegas to find the Violet and Violetta trailer park. They know Third World countries. Or could, even if they wanted to. The other thing I don't like about it them is they seem to have this uninhibited idea that basically, everyone that isn't in the Legion needs to die. there is no point where any of these factions have something that we can point to and say "this is an indefensible flaw, an error that cannot be rationalized or fixed". [–]recycled_ideas 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). Las Vegas' economy has been hit hard. Doesn't matter if we later find out its a town of crooks and gang bangers. [–]Diddu_Sumfin 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). [–]AngryArmourAuld Lang Syne 80 points81 points82 points 3 years ago* (36 children). He might continue plagiarizing history and make it a great civilization as it was. Thank you! Just like everyone else in our world before the 1970s? You know who else didn't see themselves as "evil"? Endurance- 9 The Legion doesn't believe in stimpaks,and chems being useful, that it is an insult to Mars. It should be harder for femCourier to earn the trust of the common Legionary given the sexist attitudes amongst the Legion. People who want to diss economics like to refer to it as the "dismal science", forgetting why Carlyle called it that. Intelligence- 1 Legionaries have no reason … I know, I didn't have a knife on me though. Comments are fine. There's a trophy for killing him with a knife. only a few Legion guys get angry, then the whole camp turns Legion hatred. Is he evil? They are the Viet Cong to the NCR's Marines. Mass slavery and plantations may be out but slavery is still very useful. I thought everyone agreed more or less that they were the bad guys? In turn, so are his motivations and values. Besides, Skyrim is set in a period equivalent to our Middle Ages. [–]Vault121 -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (4 children), [–]Swampeyaway1 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (3 children). You paid for the whole seat, but you'll only need the edge. The worst of them, however, is Caesar’s Legion. Caesar is trying to recreate Rome, but he only seems interested in all the bad parts of roman society like the torture, slavery, crucifixion, and decimation. That same Roman civilization produced huge amounts of literature, beautiful works of art and architecture, and a safe empire that lasted for several centuries. [–]draughtmarrow 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). A new documentary detailing allegations of sexual abuse has the pop star’s most activist supporters ready to jump on Twitter and YouTube to defend his name. DiscussionWhy do people defend the legion so much? The consensus came to the corruption existing but not being nation breaking. While you can certainly empathize with the Polish in wanting to reclaim their land, you know that this rebellion could only lead to the genocide of the Polish people. Caesar clearly states in his dialogue that his entire goal for taking over the Mojave, ins't just to expand, it's to transform his nomadic empire, into a true state with real staying power. Their are plenty of cases where Legion soldiers can be found with quite advanced tech on them. In such environments, being lightly armored means you can be faster, stealthier and can travel for longer distances, which is how the Legion keeps sneaking into NCR territories for raids. As others have noted, it is the correct classical pronunciation—or as close as could reasonably be expected. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. I find that gripe to be completely asinine, as people are imposing 21st century ideologies upon people living thousands of years ago. A fallout game with certain enemies so tough you cannot kill them before they kill you, like SWATs or something, to police would create a much more interesting atmosphere. Raider attacks arent much of a problem to the people within the area anymore because the Legion protects it. No interaction is a shame in RPG. The Living Desert is as extensive as a mod can be before being considered an overhaul - whilst still maintaining and adhering to the feel of the base game. [–]ltsBuck 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). IMO any game that can make you literally hate the villan, has done it's job and is a great game. It's cruel, but very logical. having the younger and lesser equipped troops in the frontlines was apart of roman strategies, the first wave was the newest and lowest ranked soldiers would attack as skirmisher attacking with javelins moving in and out to try to disrupt the enemies formations, now unlike the legion this first wave was not only allowed to retreat but expected to once the second wave of troops was ready to advance. I'm sure successors would step up but I don't think the Legion is capable of creating leaders as charismatic as Caesar. At the start of the game, the looming threat of a second battle of the Hoover Dam is coming with Caesar’s Roman Empire inspired Legion and the New California Republic’s Troopers and Rangers. As gathered from design documents. They see a fast-growing fast-spreading faction and think "they must be doing something right; therefore, they must be right. 67 points68 points69 points 3 years ago (4 children). Obviously slaves would be used to build, to farm, to make weapons and armor etc. © Valve Corporation. That went for every recruit I met on the farm. Not by our standards, but even by the Wasteland's, that's a stretch. It is a great defense against wrestlers as well as strikers who aren’t as adept in the art. use the following search parameters to narrow your results: All Posts must be directly related to Fallout. Complaining about the Stormcloaks being evil is as ridiculous and asinine as it would be to complain that the Stormcloaks eat meat as opposed to being vegetarian. It make no sense, the dialogues are writted with the ass and you don't have interaction. "Cartoonishly evil" refers to a fictional entity being so evil it's like they're basically a cartoon villain, black and white. ", Either way, he literally answered the question, [–]JyuconceptsProud Brotherhood Scum 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child). Morally grey? I do wish that it would've been possible to peacefully unite some of the smaller tribes under your own banner as opposed to just personally gaining their support (maybe even literally one you could design or choose from a set of designs, complete with a base/compound and an outfit/uniform of your choosing?) The topic of Caesar's Legion is one that is discussed endlessly with many here on the boards giving only partial support, if any at all, to the Legion for many reasons. The only military force there that is compitent is the Rangers. All anyone seemed concerned about in Fallout 3 was the super mutants and the Enclave. If you like legit crimery, go with NCR. All rights reserved. Medicine. With Lanius basically being a monster who will tear everyone apart who is not in his image. At least Autumn thought he was doing right by the people of the Capital Wasteland. Skyrim is not 1960s/2017s San Francisco. User Info: beans_please. Though he does terrible, unforgivable things, he doesn't see himself as "evil": everything he does is for a good reason in his eyes. By the way, I really suggest you proofread your comments in the future. One thing I always think about, though, is how Yes Man says he is going away to become "more assertive". People are driven to join the Legion as much as they are drawn to it. The ncr isn't just sitting on it's ass back home letting the raiders do as they please. So slaves are necessary to work any farms that the Legion comes across, and since farms tend to be decentralized, a private system of slavery where individuals can purchase slaves for work makes economic sense. I once killed Caeser with a .22 pistol after trying to join him. Maybe Lanius only took control of that war outpost while the backup emperor was being educated, trained and groomed back in Arizona. The production of new soldiers. [–]SuperintendentDan 61 points62 points63 points 3 years ago (0 children). But there is a certain logic to what they do. Sure but remember two important things about the Viet Cong. They're in the middle of nowhere hiding behind rocks. 58 points59 points60 points 3 years ago (1 child), Yes you can, or at least you can go the gate and then fast travel out, you just cant take the chip with you, [–]bldarkmanBrotherhood 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). It's why people also say it is a very easy choice to make not to pick the Legion: of course it will be easy if you think "sexist and crucifixion obsessed slavers" is all there is to them. Now those leaders are acting like they will invade Saudi Arabia because it's not a country religious enough. The trophy was added by GRA I think, I'd already killed him with a gun by then. All I've ever seen are ones were the bad guys touch their evil moustaches and laugh out loud. They don't want to play the NCR every time, so they put themselves in the head of a legion soldier and try to think like them. It really all depends. There are no pure villains in real life, none. Español - Latinoamérica (Spanish - Latin America), Português - Brasil (Portuguese - Brazil), Which is the best Iron revolver in the game. 2. Walmart would like their workers to work for free, but no one will. [–]Motherdragon64Chandler Bing 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). Absolutely no harassment, witchhunting, sexism, racism or hate speech will be tolerated. (That annoyed Carlyle because he was a racist piece of shit and thought that black people would just laze around all day if they weren't forced to work. But because hes a super smart charismatic hypocrite, people think hes deep. just try going through Fallout 4 faster than was intended -- get to the Jamaica Plain / Quincy Quarry / Hyde Park area around level 12 or so and look in wonder at all the enemies with skulls after their names. They're villains, but they're interesting, well-written villains. In the wake of the Las Vegas massacre — the worst in modern American history, with 58 dead and some 500 wounded — the onus falls once again to … Fallout: New Vegas has been scientifically proven to be the greatest game of all-time, and you can’t argue with science. As a U.S. Marine Corps combat veteran of the Post-9/11 wars, I was proud to join the American Legion. seriously confused. From what Caesar says, and I agree, the Legion you see now is only "temporary" until the NCR is annexed and the Legion thus transformed. I still believe the Nords can be independent, save their race and culture from the effects of diversification, cosmopolitanism and amalgamation and fight alongside the empire against the Thalmor. Realize that while the death of Caesar loosens the grasp on the Mojave, the surrounding states are still Legion territory. Die for us or we'll kill you". Do this: If you like being evil go with Legion. This scene wouldn't shock me if it was into a fake RPG such a Final Fantasy. It simply doesnt happen. Defend the area from incoming enemy attacks. Most of my IRL friends that also play can't understand why I hate the NCR, though. I think Ceasar would do better if he fought an assasins war were he tried to train his people to join the NCR and then kill the higher ups. Even then, I still think it is the most interesting faction in all of Fallout. I'm interested to see the type of cartoons you see. When are you gonna figure it out? Obsidian was very short on time so they had to slap something together in a hurry. Slavery is extremely logical. [–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children). Apply this to any situation. Why religious people 'cling' to beliefs even when contradicted by evidence. [–]ltsBuck 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child), I've wanted that too, if the story were longer that would be a neat option. (self.Fallout). If you like freedom, go with Yes Man. People seem to forget the NCR has tanks and vertibirds. Before you meet him, you expect him to be some stone-faced tyrant who barks orders of genocide from a throne of skulls, but instead he's a stoic, pragmatic, and sharp-witted man who speaks with a charming, almost fatherly tone. Rather than selfish greed or lust for power, his motivations revolve around improving the post-war world, gathering the scattered tribes beneath one flag and organizing them into a unified force (he does have a selfish side, don't get me wrong, but its more subdued). [–]pieceofchess 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children). You'll also not suffer from NCR's corruption, since you don't depend on them. The only reason the Legion is dominate force in New Vegas is because its literally the outskirts of the NCR's empire. There is no worse humiliation for a fighting man, nothing more demoralizing, than to see his wife or daughter raped by the enemy. Unless you were a woman or slave, then it was pretty much the same as what we saw in the game. I don't think they had good reason (it's been a long time) but I remember really hating the legion. It's much like the support of Fascism, which ironically uses the same symbology of the Romans. What you see in the legion camp is not a civilization, it is the military. Though the slave trade was also pretty integral to the initial growth of the industrial revolution, particularly in the British Empire. ", you just do it. [–]MxPlumeOverBitch Wannabe 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). Before the Legion, it was a nasty place, so thick with raiders you couldn't trade with a town two miles up the road. They raped and pillaged and enslaved and killed their way to the largest land kingdom, but that kingdom was possibly the most tolerant and safest kingdom, with "a naked virgin able to travel from one end to the other blindfolded and a pot of gold on her head", unaccosted. What they do is wrong but their history and morals ? 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